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89jyturbo 
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1989 Cavalier Z24
1989 Other
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| midnightriderz24 wrote: | | so six or kenton, what do you think ill put down 10psi intercooled with 22lb injectors/tgp chip and alky injection? |
I'm assuming you are running a RRFPR too? The 22's are too small to run without one, so I'm assuming you are. If you get things ironed out pretty well, I bet you can make at least what I did (def more if things are happy working together). There are a lot of variables (like maybe your IC will restrict flow- HaHa!). Of course, if you want to push the limits of your fuel system, you can run more than 10psi of boost. I'm really limited to what you see here; I'm already pushing the limits of everything, and without alky injection, I would be dangerousely lean at the top of the power band. I think you will be begging for a piston failure though by running more than 10psi of boost. Wait till you get our GP Wisecos in there 
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89jyturbo
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| dukie wrote: | Hey Kenton, do you have a lightened flywheel or anything like that? I think it would be awesome if it revved up a little faster  . Great power though, congrats on all the work. |
No, the flywheel is stock (I resurfaced it once). The pull was slow because it was in 4th gear with the dyno fighting against it. The pull started at 50mph wheel speed and went to 112 or so. A lighter flywheel would not have made the engine rev faster with that kind of load on it. I would need some more HP to make it rev any faster under those conditions.
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91berettagt
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Location: Port Monmouth, NJ
1991 Beretta GT
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| 89jyturbo wrote: | | dukie wrote: | | Hey Kenton, do you have a lightened flywheel or anything like that? I think it would be awesome if it revved up a little faster . Great power though, congrats on all the work. |
No, the flywheel is stock (I resurfaced it once). The pull was slow because it was in 4th gear with the dyno fighting against it. The pull started at 50mph wheel speed and went to 112 or so. A lighter flywheel would not have made the engine rev faster with that kind of load on it. I would need some more HP to make it rev any faster under those conditions. |
Maybe my 4th gear would've helped lol...
The lightened flywheel on our cars, doesn't really do much, they revv quick enough without one.
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imthegr8_1
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1997 SC Series
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 holy hell...i want it 
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juicedz4
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89jy:
Great numbers !
All this talk of alky makes me want to finish mine up now too. I have all the parts I just need to get it setup.
Last I recal I was having trouble getting the shurflo pump adjusted right. It just didnt seem to make a difference where I had it adjusted. Hard to recall exactly..... so this is pointless.
Maybee Ill PM you once I get my rediculous new suspension all finished up and get back to other projects left hanging.
Dan
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jbodied
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1992 Cavalier VL Coupe
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Holy jesus. Awesome numbers.
Car sounds beautiful.
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berettaspeed
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1989 Other
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wow, i didn't see a fan at all??? even if there is one its small as hell.. damn your most likely have more power while you are driving cause air helping to cool your engine and pipes!!!!!!!!!
DAMN...... 
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lvcmstckz24
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1989 Cavalier Z24
1993 Cavalier Z24
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I hate you man! I can't wait to get my 3400 dropped into my car, and get a bigger turbo 
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89jyturbo
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| berettaspeed wrote: | wow, i didn't see a fan at all??? even if there is one its small as hell.. damn your most likely have more power while you are driving cause air helping to cool your engine and pipes!!!!!!!!!
DAMN...... |
There was a 4ft tall fan right in front of the car during the pulls. It is hard to see in the video because the hood is up.
I don't think the charge piping will really give up a lot of heat, even at high speeds. There just isn't enough surface area on the piping and the charge air is moving to fast for any significant heat transfer to take place. I know STS says on their site that the charge plumbing can act as an intercooler, but I am skeptical.
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91berettagt
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| 89jyturbo wrote: | | berettaspeed wrote: | wow, i didn't see a fan at all??? even if there is one its small as hell.. damn your most likely have more power while you are driving cause air helping to cool your engine and pipes!!!!!!!!!
DAMN...... |
There was a 4ft tall fan right in front of the car during the pulls. It is hard to see in the video because the hood is up.
I don't think the charge piping will really give up a lot of heat, even at high speeds. There just isn't enough surface area on the piping and the charge air is moving to fast for any significant heat transfer to take place. I know STS says on their site that the charge plumbing can act as an intercooler, but I am skeptical. |
I agree with you man. Not enough cooling area. Maybe when you're at the end of a quarter mile going 112 mph + ya know? And even still, aerodynamics of the car are supposed to push the air away, in your case of RMT i would be skeptical and wouldn't expect any cooling effiencies in your setup.. Even in a conventional setup. Thats what an intercooler is for. lol
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89jyturbo
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| 91berettagt wrote: |
I agree with you man. Not enough cooling area. Maybe when you're at the end of a quarter mile going 112 mph + ya know? And even still, aerodynamics of the car are supposed to push the air away, in your case of RMT i would be skeptical and wouldn't expect any cooling effiencies in your setup.. Even in a conventional setup. Thats what an intercooler is for. lol |
Yeah, if you think about it, the IC performs two functions that a straight pipe would not. #1, it has (or should have) a large volume which causes the air to slow down inside the heat exchanger to physically give time for heat transfer. #2, All the small tubes and fins give huge a surface area to dissipate the heat.
If I had a dyno for a day, I would love to test stuff like this. Its fun to think about, but far better to have numbers to prove or disprove theories.
BTW, the alky is supposed to be effective as an intercooler. It absorbs a ton of heat when it evaporates.
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1989 Z24 5-speed
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328HP/352TQ to the wheels
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slowbird
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1991 Sunbird LE
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I know I'm late to the party...
Good jobs on those numbers JY.
Your car was always my favorite.
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majorz24
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Wow, if it was only a 1st Gen... Nice work.
How does it drive? Is it smooth pulling til the turbo explodes with power? Do you need to modulate the pedal much in normal driving? What is its temperment?
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89jyturbo
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| majorz24 wrote: | Wow, if it was only a 1st Gen... Nice work.
How does it drive? Is it smooth pulling til the turbo explodes with power? Do you need to modulate the pedal much in normal driving? What is its temperment?
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Find me a nice 1st gen and I'll build it. I have seriously been considering it, I really like them. Sharkey's car over on 60DegreeV6.com got me dreaming
This car is my daily driver, and so it needs to be fairly well manored. It really does good. The turbo doesn't come in until you want it to; you need at least 1/2 throttle for things to get wild. In the lower gears torque steer and tire spin are a problem if you lean on it (uh, can you really call that really a problem?). Has A/C and gets over 20mpg too. Basically, except for the extra power, loud exhaust and assorted turbo 'noises', it drives like stock. Oh, and the Bully Stage 3 clutch does chatter a bit too depending how you feed it out (not really a problem though, its to be expected from a clutch that holds decent power).
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1989 Z24 5-speed
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Best 1/4- 11.9 at 119
328HP/352TQ to the wheels
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gerzy
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| Great #s kent, those polished wheels seem to look good too, from what i seen. sorry i didn't make it saturday. great #s and congrats. |
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