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jowek70 
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1994 Sunbird LE
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oh and should i get a 160 or 180 degree thermostat?
i've read that this will make the engine run alil cooler preventing detonation..... _________________
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slowolej
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You really want the engine to be as hot as possible with intake air nice and cool. You don't usually switch to a cooler T-stat unless you're really generating large amounts of cylinder pressure. But if you're still planning on using the stock n/a ecm you're going to have far too much spark advance. Combine that with the higher compression ratio of the n/a engine and you've given detonation a reason to party. The cool 'stat might save your engine.
But where are you finding a 160 T-stat?
Oh, and have you given any thought to how you'll be datalogging? Hate to see that thing blow up without you having any idea the end is coming. |
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jowek70 
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i haven't seen a 160 degree stat i was just reading about it on another forum......i forget where i just yahoo searched sunbird turbo i think.....but i haven't thought about datalogging....i was just gonna put all the parts on and drive it.....with appropriate gauges......AFR, boost and oil pressure....i figured i'd be safe......but you have me kinda worried now! _________________
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jowek70 
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1994 Sunbird LE
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i've read online that the stock wastegate on 88 gt's was 8 or 9 psi.....i only wanna run 6 psi....but i've heard runnin an 8 or 9 psi wasteagte will be more beneficial because of boost creep on the T25....anybody know if this is true? i plan on gettin a new 6 psi or keepin my stocker.... _________________
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cavi_rs_94 
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1994 Cavalier RS Coupe 1989 Sunbird GT
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yes it will be more benificial running the 89 psi one over the 6 psi. _________________

| 88ragtop wrote: | | Jbodyconnection parts.. So light, it's like they don't even exist! |
The Boosted GT
The N/A RS
V6's are nice but 4 Inlines just fine |
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jowek70 
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alright
i'll look into that one then
they're about the same price
but would there be a difference in brackets? _________________
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jowek70 
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has anybody heard or dealt with Mishimoto intercoolers?
and what are your guys' thoughts on a black intercooler and piping? _________________
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slowolej
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| Quote: | | what are your guys' thoughts on a black intercooler and piping |
The color won't make a huge difference. I would tend to avoid black for the pipes through the engine compartment. It's hard enough to keep heat from the engine bay out of the intake air in summer without inviting it in with a dark colored pipe. But truth be told it's probably not going to make a measurable difference if the pipe is black vs another color.
Now if you're talking appearance, I can't help. Function first, looks second.
A Buick GN thermostat will fit but it won't have the little strap on the top. The strap holds the 'stat down when the filler neck cap is closed so you'll need something there. |
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cavi_rs_94 
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| slowolej wrote: | | Quote: | | what are your guys' thoughts on a black intercooler and piping |
The color won't make a huge difference. I would tend to avoid black for the pipes through the engine compartment. It's hard enough to keep heat from the engine bay out of the intake air in summer without inviting it in with a dark colored pipe. But truth be told it's probably not going to make a measurable difference if the pipe is black vs another color.
Now if you're talking appearance, I can't help. Function first, looks second.
A Buick GN thermostat will fit but it won't have the little strap on the top. The strap holds the 'stat down when the filler neck cap is closed so you'll need something there. |
hey black gives you a easy 10hp more over anyother colour..... _________________

| 88ragtop wrote: | | Jbodyconnection parts.. So light, it's like they don't even exist! |
The Boosted GT
The N/A RS
V6's are nice but 4 Inlines just fine |
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jowek70 
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well i just found they made black pipes/IC
so i thought i'd ask
the black IC looks sexy IMO
but youre prolly right about the pipes though _________________
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jowek70 
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oh and a quick question on the exhaust
i'm gonna buy a downpipe with the T25 bolt pattern but its got a 3" diameter on it......would this be too big? i was thinking that since it just comes 3 " then i might as well go 3" the entire exhaust.....
but my other question.....i found a place online where i can get 5 ft. sections of SS pipe and any degree bends i need.....does it matter if get 304 or 409? and this will all be welded together so will there be a difference if i go 304 and 409? or should i go all 304 or all 409? _________________
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decyphex 
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1992 Sunbird LE 1992 Cavalier Z24 1995 Mustang GT 1985 Camaro 1993 Prelude Vtec
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| jowek70 wrote: | oh and a quick question on the exhaust
i'm gonna buy a downpipe with the T25 bolt pattern but its got a 3" diameter on it......would this be too big? i was thinking that since it just comes 3 " then i might as well go 3" the entire exhaust.....
but my other question.....i found a place online where i can get 5 ft. sections of SS pipe and any degree bends i need.....does it matter if get 304 or 409? and this will all be welded together so will there be a difference if i go 304 and 409? or should i go all 304 or all 409? |
As far as the 3" pipe all the way back, that is most likely overkill for that small of a turbo. 2.5" is more than sufficient for what you are looking for out of this car.
Someone else will chime in about the 304 and 409 SS, as I don't know a whole lot about the properties of the two. _________________
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slowolej
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| I've got stock pipe to a stock cat then 2.5" back to a Magnaflow muffler on my turbo car. Works well. |
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cavi_rs_94 
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409 is an alloy designed principally for the automotive exhaust industry, although it has been used successfully in other industrial applications. It combines good elevated temperature corrosion resistance with medium strength, good formability
the Stainless 304, One of the most widely used and oldest of the stainless steels. This was originally called 18-8 which stood for its chromium and nickel content. It possesses an excellent combination of strength, corrosion resistance and fabricability.
The 304 and 409 flow exactly the same, but, the 304 will outlast your car in any enviromental conditions (road salt)....where as the 409 will last about 10 years and will rot out, the 409 is more for ppl that have stored cars that dont drive in winter or fall or wet days. IMO id say go with the 304, the metal composition in it is 100x better _________________

| 88ragtop wrote: | | Jbodyconnection parts.. So light, it's like they don't even exist! |
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jowek70 
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1994 Sunbird LE
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alright i was just wondering cause there's like a $10 difference for 5 ft lenghts.....
and for the 3" exhaust....the only reason i'd go that is because the downpipe i found for T25 is 3" but i could throw a reducer in....then go 2.5" the from the downpipe.....
oh and i dont drive my car in the winter.....but it does get rain during the late spring, summer and early fall.....
maybe i'll go 409...we'll see i guess _________________
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