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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:58 pm    Post subject: vert q Reply with quote

om the z24 do the vert have the rail were there the skirt goes it has a million rivots can i just take them off or does it need it cuz the skirts are off a coupe n wont fit with the raails on have the z kit instaled just need skirts thanks it ssa 93 vert
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suspect that rail is a support brace.
There is mention of the different skirts in another thread here.
If it has the rails, I would leave them on. If you have to modify the skirts to get them on, that's fine, but don't remove the support rails from the chassis.

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Here is the link to the thread;
http://www.v6z24.com/jbodyforum/this-has-become-a-disease-t117392.html

No one is exactly sure, but there were certainly two different types of side skirts. One standard and one with an extra lip like piece molded into them. I am only guessing, but think maybe the extra lip was on some to cover the rail you are seeing. If so, leave that rail on your car (they likely strengthen the rockers of the chassis), no matter what you have to do to install 'standard' skirts.

Could you please post a picture of the rail you are speaking of?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There were two diffrent side skirts, the convertible being different from the coupe. The convertible had a reinforcement added to the inside and outside of the rocker panel area to strenghten the body, and this necessitated a different side skirt.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 1:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

frankd wrote:
There were two diffrent side skirts, the convertible being different from the coupe. The convertible had a reinforcement added to the inside and outside of the rocker panel area to strenghten the body, and this necessitated a different side skirt.


That is interesting, I've never seen mine yet so I didn't know. Nice to know although I did know that the vert weighs 107 lbs more than the coupe for the reason of added bracing and the weight of the top which is heavy.

Also because of this the mpg in a vert is slightly less than a coupe hardtop.

I did not know there was bracing there in the rockers, nice to know. It really feels like it doesn't do much of anything though lol. The car feels like a playing card with weights on each end and the middle just wobbles when you drive badly enough you can see your side mirrors wobble.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

megatrends wrote:
That is interesting, I've never seen mine yet so I didn't know.
I'm not convinced all convertibles had it. The reason is, on the cars that do have the support rails, the standard skirt will not work. Yet we see some (like yours) that have the standard skirt.

I think there was probably a performance suspension package that had the rails (at least on the convertible) as part of that package. Like some have a strut brace (maybe also part of the same package) and some don't. Not really sure, but seems likely.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

butch_n wrote:
megatrends wrote:
That is interesting, I've never seen mine yet so I didn't know.
I'm not convinced all convertibles had it. The reason is, on the cars that do have the support rails, the standard skirt will not work. Yet we see some (like yours) that have the standard skirt.

I think there was probably a performance suspension package that had the rails (at least on the convertible) as part of that package. Like some have a strut brace (maybe also part of the same package) and some don't. Not really sure, but seems likely.


I wonder if that explains this picture from that guy who posted his vert he bought on here?

Notice the light gray rocker?



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 5:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, and I wonder if it has a strut brace too.
It is bound to be some type option, since not all of them have it.

I hope lue22 post up a pic of the 'rails' his car has.
And, does it have a strut brace on it, or any signs that it did have?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe you have to opt for the FE2 or FE3 suspension package to get the strut bar and subframe brace. Every vert I have see either had the package with everything or no none. The rocker panel braces are about 4 ft long and have about 10,000 rivits in them. in order to put a coupe side skirts on a vert they have to be trimmed a little in some spots I believe to clear the rocker panel braces.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 25, 2012 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cavalier3400z wrote:
I believe you have to opt for the FE2 or FE3 suspension package to get the strut bar and subframe brace. Every vert I have see either had the package with everything or no none. The rocker panel braces are about 4 ft long and have about 10,000 rivits in them. in order to put a coupe side skirts on a vert they have to be trimmed a little in some spots I believe to clear the rocker panel braces.


Wow that is interesting indeed.

Mine doesn't have it since I popped a side skirt rivet just jacking the rear wheel up to change a tire because these verts are so soft and flexible.

I thought I had the jack on the side skirt somehow but nope, I had it under the rocker on the lift point. The car twisted so much it popped a rivet, I shit you not.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 27, 2012 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can see the outer reinforcement that runs from the rear of the front fender opening to the front of the rear wheel opening in this picture, it is one of the reinforcements added during the conversion by ASC. Besides the rocker panel, the front fender is also riveted to it.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll take a closer look at mine tomorrow, I doubt I have any bracing from what I said about my car being so flexible. Thanks for the picture, I never knew that before.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 1:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks guys u knew exactly what I was talking about
still no luck in pics sorry
U saved me from destroying the vert everyone said just to remove the brace
Oh and it has strut and sub frame brace also fender firewall brace

Side. Note went to nitro jam at san Antonio raceway and the vert overheated so time for overhaul with small upgrades
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

not sure is this what your talking about


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine has a chrome strip over the top half of that brace... you can see most of it under the strip, I painted it white, it used to be black
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 03, 2012 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lue22 wrote:
Thanks guys u knew exactly what I was talking about
still no luck in pics sorry
U saved me from destroying the vert everyone said just to remove the brace
Oh and it has strut and sub frame brace also fender firewall brace

Side. Note went to nitro jam at san Antonio raceway and the vert overheated so time for overhaul with small upgrades
Show was badass thought


I would like to have strut braces and other braces on mine. I swear mine really is like driving a playing card with weights on each end when the top is down. I fully understand why verts are braced.

if I park on an uneven spot I cannot latch the top when closing it after being open sometimes. I move the car back about 6 inches and then it closes right up. They just twist and flex like mad.

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