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g-u-not 
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I tried to do a search but came up empty...
A while ago I think I read somewhere that tha Beretta GTZ trans was tha way to go for a higher top speed or something like that. Am I correct?
Thats what Im lookin for, a higher top speed and faster acceleration!! Isnt tha GTZ trans tha exact same thing as what our 3.1 Js have, except a taller 5th gear?
Anyways, what Im really lookin for is info on tha best tranny for acceleration and top speed, that will bolt up to a 3400!!
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Actually the trans that bolts up to the QUAD4 will NOT bolt onto a 60deg V6.
However you can crack open one of those guys and take out the gear sets, and transplant them into a Getrag or NVG 5 speed.
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syn
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somehwat right and wrong info
all you need to do is swap the bellhousings to make the trans work
also for top speed i don't think the gtz would be your choice
sure for acceleration but if you plan on being a stupid fast guy and pushing your car over 100mph thats plain retarted
all the ratios are diff from what iw as told for the gears
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the_wagon
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That seems to be just a bit easier than my alternative. Well played.
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89jyturbo
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| syn wrote: | sure for acceleration but if you plan on being a stupid fast guy and pushing your car over 100mph thats plain retarted
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Going way over 100MPH is not retarded if you can do it in the standing 1/4 mile.
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syn
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 haha but how many can acutally do that in a cavalier lol
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g-u-not
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| 89jyturbo wrote: | | syn wrote: | sure for acceleration but if you plan on being a stupid fast guy and pushing your car over 100mph thats plain retarted
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Going way over 100MPH is not retarded if you can do it in the standing 1/4 mile. |
Thank you very much!!
Before I swap anything in, my 3400 will be completely rebuilt.... wit a bunch of goodies and tha Cavy wont be my daily driver anymore!!
So please..... I know how tha peanut gallary is on this website.... Im jus lookin for my questions to be answers, NOT COMMENTS!!
Thanks for tha info everyone else!
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the_wagon
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Back to my orriginal point. I know that there is someone out there that has taken first and second out of the QUAD 4 trans and used 3rd, 4th and 5th out of a Getrag. That is a possibility . You can improve accel and not hurt the top end.
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91berettagt
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| g-u-not wrote: | I tried to do a search but came up empty...
A while ago I think I read somewhere that tha Beretta GTZ trans was tha way to go for a higher top speed or something like that. Am I correct?
Thats what Im lookin for, a higher top speed and faster acceleration!! Isnt tha GTZ trans tha exact same thing as what our 3.1 Js have, except a taller 5th gear?
Anyways, what Im really lookin for is info on tha best tranny for acceleration and top speed, that will bolt up to a 3400!! |
You didn't search. I did this swap. And no, the trans has a taller 4th gear, and 5th gear.
I'm contemplating finding a manual trans just to make a how-to bc it's cake to do anyone can do it, Properly do it however, is a different story. Burn helped me out with mine.
| the_wagon wrote: | | Back to my orriginal point. I know that there is someone out there that has taken first and second out of the QUAD 4 trans and used 3rd, 4th and 5th out of a Getrag. That is a possibility . You can improve accel and not hurt the top end. |
Uh, both tran's are getrags. And, 1st and second, honestly, from the quad getrag, would hurt more. My first and second are so quick, if they got any quicker, i think i'd just start in 3rd.
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flavv
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so you have 1,2,3 from the cav trans and 4,5 from a GTZ? 3rd gear in a stock NVG 550 is pretty mean i think.
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| flavv wrote: | | so you have 1,2,3 from the cav trans and 4,5 from a GTZ? 3rd gear in a stock NVG 550 is pretty mean i think. |
No. I have a 90 Quad transmission. which is stock 1,2,3 and 4th is 1.03 and 5th is .81. The GTZ trans, is virtually the same as a Jbody trans, just with the 1.03 4th. And a 3.94 FDR. I retained the stock FDR.
I've posted this information before, i know i have. I said the most optimal setup would be the 92-94 "GTZ" trans with the stock FDR. Allows you to have the 4th gear ability, but also the 5th gear gas saver.
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| 91berettagt wrote: | | You didn't search. |
Actually I DID search!!
I spent like 20 minutes loking thru shit trying to find out what I wanted to know!!
I did find a bunch of info, but not axactly what I wanted to know..... so I asked!
Why does everyone on this site freak out about searches??
I know some plp repeat themselves and all.... but its not like typin is back-breaking LOL
If you guys dont feel like retypin it 36 times, then jus dont respond, ya know.... Im sorry that Im not on this site 20 hours a day like others, but geez....
Im not tryin to bash on you do, b/c your info did help me actaully... but Im just sayin!
I know how this site gets.... and now Im sure Jake will lock this one too jus like them all b/c of something stupid, but whatever!
Thanks bro!
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91berettagt
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| g-u-not wrote: | | 91berettagt wrote: | | You didn't search. |
Actually I DID search!!
I spent like 20 minutes loking thru shit trying to find out what I wanted to know!!
I did find a bunch of info, but not axactly what I wanted to know..... so I asked!
Why does everyone on this site freak out about searches??
I know some plp repeat themselves and all.... but its not like typin is back-breaking LOL
If you guys dont feel like retypin it 36 times, then jus dont respond, ya know.... Im sorry that Im not on this site 20 hours a day like others, but geez....
Im not tryin to bash on you do, b/c your info did help me actaully... but Im just sayin!
I know how this site gets.... and now Im sure Jake will lock this one too jus like them all b/c of something stupid, but whatever!
Thanks bro! |
Uh, probably not. I meant, that all the information about what gears are best/opinions from others plus a full chart i know i've done myself. And given the same recommendation in a page twice as long as this one lol. Not bashing. Just saying flat out 
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| the_wagon wrote: | Actually the trans that bolts up to the QUAD4 will NOT bolt onto a 60deg V6.
However you can crack open one of those guys and take out the gear sets, and transplant them into a Getrag or NVG 5 speed. |
ah so this can be done then? i'd love to get my Getrag 282 rebuilt using 1st, 2nd and 5th gear from the J/L V6 282 (assuming 60*V6 info is correct). traction would improve for better acceleration and i'd get better mileage on the highway. i wish there was something taller than the 3.61 FDR available. i would just use a J/L V6 282 but the case won't work in my car.
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91berettagt
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| turbosedan wrote: | | the_wagon wrote: | Actually the trans that bolts up to the QUAD4 will NOT bolt onto a 60deg V6.
However you can crack open one of those guys and take out the gear sets, and transplant them into a Getrag or NVG 5 speed. |
ah so this can be done then? i'd love to get my Getrag 282 rebuilt using 1st, 2nd and 5th gear from the J/L V6 282 (assuming 60*V6 info is correct). traction would improve for better acceleration and i'd get better mileage on the highway. i wish there was something taller than the 3.61 FDR available. i would just use a J/L V6 282 but the case won't work in my car. |
Did i post everything for nothing? you're screwed for the NVG. The Quad TRANSMISSION bolts up to the v6 motors perfectly fine but you have to use the v6 BELLHOUSING.
3.94 is your other option as an FDR. not optimal, but is available. First and 2nd are basically the same, 1st is TALLER in the 3.61 FDR trans's. Barely. But i wouldn't want it, first gear is too fast as it is.
Find a 92-94 quad 4 trans. This would be the EXACT same trans you're using, with an improved 4th gear, and taller 3.94 FDR. I personally, would have the FDR gear pressed off and the stock FDR pressed on for gas mileage savings.
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